tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30412165.post632862188492783952..comments2023-11-22T14:49:33.646+00:00Comments on Coventry Green Voice: Plane Stupid's Stansted ProtestStephenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13772134921658196533noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30412165.post-67295110790218026192008-12-09T18:32:00.000+00:002008-12-09T18:32:00.000+00:00Well. The stats aren't dubious, unless you think t...Well. The stats aren't dubious, unless you think the CAA has been infiltrated by deep green moles. <BR/><BR/>Hear me now, and believe me later, low-cost airlines don't benefit anyone! They don't benefit the rich (who mainly use them) and they don't benefit working people. They don't benefit anyone, since their drastic expansion in the last decade is cooking the planet, so we all lose.scott reddinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16201040172369428187noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30412165.post-11856672956693997742008-12-09T09:45:00.000+00:002008-12-09T09:45:00.000+00:00Unfortunately Scott, your response shows something...Unfortunately Scott, your response shows something of a "club them over the head" approach to PR which I doubt will find many friends or achieve what you want.<BR/><BR/>If you strip all the gumpf away we get down to the basic aim of the green movement on this issue - reducing carbon emissions from the airline industry. And surely there are two ways of doing this - influencing the public and influencing the decision makers (of course the two impact and relate to each other).<BR/><BR/>The only way to achieve this aim is to persuade the public and highlight the dangers. Ruining people`s holidays, costing them money and causing them a headache is not going to convince them that youre aims are worthy. Its going to piss them off. Honestly, its not rocket science - and in a practical sense its totally bloody irrelvent what Britney inspired piece of morality you throw into it. <BR/><BR/>And leaving aside the dubious stats, the fact is low cost airlines benefit people at the lower end of the economic scale. The green movement has to accept its hitting the poorest in society and find a coherent way to balance that out. Its not easy - and I dont pretend to have an answer!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30412165.post-75720592351896857522008-12-08T18:55:00.000+00:002008-12-08T18:55:00.000+00:00I'm inclined to agree with Paul. This seems to me ...I'm inclined to agree with Paul. This seems to me to be smug, self-satisfied and punishes the people we need to win over. As I've said elsewhere, there is the potential that Plane Stupid will become the Fathers 4 Justice of the Environmental movement. Also extrapolating some sort of average carbon saving from this action is stupid. Some planes were cancelled, but the delayed ones will take off anyway... You can't just apply an average to any given minute.Green Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00213685949038895130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30412165.post-65138660805407164192008-12-08T17:47:00.000+00:002008-12-08T17:47:00.000+00:00The only reason the runway is being built, the onl...The only reason the runway is being built, the only reason that we've had this explosion in "low cost" airflights, is "ordinary members of the public." As Britney might say, we're not so innocent. <BR/><BR/>We have to take responsibility for our actions, not rely on businessmen, nor politicians.<BR/><BR/>Also, it doesn't make sense only targetting businessmen, since over 80% of Stansted's use is for leisure trips.<BR/><BR/>I think the £47 000 figure was for 2006, but to be precise, <A HREF="http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/81/2007CAAPaxSurveyReport.pdf" REL="nofollow">you can check here for the 2007 numbers from the Civil Aviation Authority (table 16.8)</A>. Unless my maths are wrong, it's £48 339 for Stansted for 2007 (£45344 for leisure travellers; £61585 business).scott reddinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16201040172369428187noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30412165.post-89703023646994164542008-12-08T12:12:00.000+00:002008-12-08T12:12:00.000+00:00I`m sorry, but from a PR perspective this action h...I`m sorry, but from a PR perspective this action has been a total disaster. <BR/><BR/>No member of the public, beyond a hardcore of green activists, is going to feel a single jot of sympathy for these issues as a result of this morning`s protests. Why? Because rather that show the public the damage that will be done by the runway or target the politicans/business men who will be hit by it - the green lobby has instead hit ordinary members of the public. <BR/><BR/>Thousands of people at the airport have been pissed off to the nth degree and the millions more who will side against the protestors rather than with them. Morally lecturing people after ruining their holidays and costing them money is not, whatever the moral perspective, the way to win hearts and minds.<BR/><BR/>And I would love to see where that 47k figure came from ... please source it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com